1: then you set it wrong. i tested it my self, worked fine. 3: yet every server owner i talked to liked groupmanager. did you EVER used it? you seem to talk like you never used it. 4: how is this related to PEX? GM has custom nodes, organizes permissions, splits groups/users, among other things. i dislike the thread, but i read it, because you pasted false info ontop of the discussion board, where people can read and think its true.