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Discussion in 'Forum Feedback' started by KrYojeNiX, Dec 17, 2014.

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    KrYojeNiX

    Ok so dont really know whats gone on with the bukkit website recently, but whatever it is, its not good this end lol
    I can no longer use my smart phone on bukkit as it force closes the internet after a few pages, and on my pc if i have over several pages open (for relating to and setup) it max's out a couple of the the cores (i7) and the browser becomes totally unresponsive.
    I should mention i am the type to regularly have tons of pages open in multiple browsers and never experienced anything like this before.
    (actually thinking about it this happens on a couple of other minecraft websites too, the one's plastered with adverts, but i avoid opening multiple pages in them.)
    It constantly updates / loads the page, may stop for a sec then goes again.
    It seems like adverts have gone crazy or something seriously wrong elsewhere.
    Has something changed here recently? as i can't remember having this issue when using the site a few months ago.
    Don't know if anyone else is experiencing this with multiple (bukkit dev) pages opened?
    :(
     
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    Webbeh

    Have you ever tried to profile a typical page loading on this forum ?

    No ? Well I did.

    It takes an average of 40 seconds and 2mb to have the forum's main page, for example, to load completely.

    40 seconds and 4 Megabits !!!

    I have a decent connection (65/15Mbps, <5ms ping to ISP), and a more-than-decent computer, and not only does the forum takes nearly a minute to load everything, it also locks up the browser for a few seconds when loading a page !

    We would think it could be because of the gravatar integration and all the pictures having to be downloaded from another server, but no, that's not the issue ! Gravatars are all downloaded in the first second of the total handshake.

    It's because of the ads

    On the 240+ requests a typical page loading has, MORE THAN 200 ARE DUE TO ADS.

    Don't believe me ? Here is a list of an usual loading.

    Show Spoiler
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    (The scales got messed up because I screenshotted as it loaded)

    I get that you're poor and all, but that kind of ads provider is just bad and is exactly the reason why more and more people use ad blockers (and ultimately make you win less money).

    Do something about this before your forum becomes unusable because of the Ad provider making 200 more redirections.
     
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    Lolmewn Retired Staff

    Good thing I got Curse premium then :rolleyes:
     
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    Jadedcat

    The only thing that has changed is the forum software was updated.
     
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    xize

    I seem to get this to, Im very sure its not my connection though I got 250mbit uplink and a 3,1 ghz octacore running on IE11, before the forums where updated I had slight cpu lag so Im not 100% sure if its something with the update, but it seems to happen to minecraftforums often so now to.

    for my feeling I think the site tries to render everytime a image like how browsers render svg images (couldn't find a svg image here) but I know these can cause a bit laggy behaviour.
     
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    Webbeh

    @Jadedcat That's the only thing that got changed... By you !

    When ads providers change their mechanics, you have absolutely no grasp on this. If they decide to use 200 redirections to get you to the ad, they can.

    I am against ads, but almost never complain about them, but on here it's just too much.
     
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    jthort

    You can use Add block Plus
     
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    bwfcwalshy Retired Staff

    @jthort *Ad

    You can do that but I would whitelist places like TwitchTV and YouTube. Show your support for the content creators.
     
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    Webbeh

    No thanks, no adblock.
     
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    Tecno_Wizard

    I do it for this forum only. I use adblock on every other site, but yes, bukkit should REALLY look for new ad providers. I've seen the same problem that
    @Webbeh has though. The page loads FOREVER...
     
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    lol768 Retired Staff

     
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    Tecno_Wizard

    That's what I meant. Just didn't type that. Slipped my mind for a bit.
     
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    xTrollxDudex

    Plugin development <3
     
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    Bobcat00

    Some of these ads are awful. They lock-up my i7 PC with 120 Mbps Internet connection for 30 to 60 seconds.
     
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    Tecno_Wizard

    The bukkit site is chock full of things that are tracking you, as are all websites nowadays, but not enough people are aware of this. Most people know they are being tracked, but very few know the sources. I believe that they should be known. The following are tracking devices on the main page of bukkit. I would not deem any of them malicious. Almost every website you visit has tracking devices, about 5 to 8, but Bukkit hosts 12, which in my opinion is overkill.
    There have been several threads recently speaking of the absurd loading time of ads on this site, and you are about to figure out why. 7 of these are ad related. It's crazy.
    I am not attacking Bukkit, I am just pointing out something that needs to be changed.

    ADTECH (AOL)
    Manages ads on the site.
    • All data collection is undisclosed

    Amazon Associates
    Manages Amazon ads on the site (I don't think i've ever seen one, so this confuses me)

    Collected Data
    • (Anonymous) Analytics, Browser Information, Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type
    • (Pseudonymous) IP Address (EU PII), Location Based Data, Clickstream Data, Device ID (EU PII)
    • Anonymous data info is shared with third parties

    DoubleClick (Google service)
    Manages advertising on the site

    Collected Data
    • (Anonymous) Ad Views, Analytics, Browser Information, Cookie Data , Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Interaction Data , Page Views , Serving Domains
    • (Pseudonymous) IP Address (EU PII), Search History, Location Based Data, Device ID (EU PII)
    • (No Anonymity) PII (Phone Number) (This I find disturbing)
    • Anonymous data info is shared with third parties

    FaceBook Connect
    "Integrate deeply into the Facebook experience" (What?)

    Collected Data (On a personal note, FaceBook is a HUGE violator of tracking your every move and it really bugs me. Have you signed in since you last cleared your cookies? No? Well then they know everything)
    • Anonymous (Browser Information, Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Page Views )
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII))
    • Anonymous data is shared with 3rd parties.

    Google Analytics
    Gives insights into website traffic and marketing effectiveness

    Collected Data
    • Anonymous (Ad Views, Analytics, Browser Information, Cookie Data , Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Interaction Data , Page Views , Serving Domains)
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII), Search History, Location Based Data, Device ID (EU PII))
    • No anonymity (PII (Phone Number))
    • Sharing of data is undisclosed

    Google Plus
    "With Google+, you can share the right things with the right people." (What?)

    Collected Data
    • Anonymous (Ad Views, Analytics, Browser Information, Cookie Data , Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Interaction Data , Page Views , Serving Domains)
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII), Search History, Location Based Data, Device ID (EU PII))
    • No anonymity (PII (Phone Number))
    • Anonymous data is shared with 3rd parties.

    Gravatar (This runs a lot of our profile images)
    "Your Gravatar is an image that follows you from site to site appearing beside your name when you do things like comment or post on a blog."

    Collected Data
    • Anonymous (Browser Information, Date/Time, Demographic Data, Serving Domains)
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII))
    • No data is shared with third parties

    LOTAME
    Observes the amount of ads that are clicked on and ad data

    Collected Data

    • Anonymous (Browser Information, Date/Time, Demographic Data, Page Views )
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII), Clickstream Data)
    • Anonymous data is shared with 3rd parties.
    • Data is saved from 6 to 12 months

    NetRatings SiteCensus
    Observes site traffic

    Collected Data

    • Anonymous (Ad Views, Analytics, Browser Information, Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Page Views )
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII))
    • Aggregate data is shared with 3rd parties.
    • Data is saved as long as necessary to fulfill a business need or as required by law.

    OpenX
    Ad provider

    Collected Data

    • Anonymous (Ad Views, Browser Information, Demographic Data, Internet Service Provider, Page Views , Serving Domains)
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII), Device ID (EU PII))
    • Anonymous data is shared with 3rd parties.

    ScoreCard Research Beacon
    Ad provider

    Collected Data

    • No info is disclosed besides the fact that is it all anonymous.

    Twitter Button
    Runs the share button of twitter

    Collected Data

    • Anonymous (Browser Information, Cookie Data , Date/Time, Demographic Data, Hardware/Software Type, Internet Service Provider, Interaction Data , Page Views )
    • Pseudonymous (IP Address (EU PII), Search History, Device ID (EU PII))
    • Aggregate data is shared with 3rd parties.

    (This info was collected with Ghostery, an anti-tracking chrome extension)



     
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    Avygeil

    Wait there are still ads on Internet?
    I'm using AdBlock Plus for like 6 or 7 years
     
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    ChipDev

    Its been out for that long?
    Have I been living?
    Nah, but adblock+ is actually better because hackers/(US >: D) have gotten smarter to make almost all ads a virus (Its getting old) Its sad how many people use it, but I think some other company may come out with a non-adblock ad
     
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